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Wednesday, June 06, 2007

Catholic Politicians Get A Spine And Flip The Bird At Church

Catholic politicians in Australia finally got a spine, and flipped the bird at the Catholic Church. It's about damn time someone told the Catholic Church to keep its nose out of their damn governmental business. Hopefully others will follow in their footsteps.

SYDNEY (AFP) - Catholic lawmakers in Australia rebelled Wednesday against threats from the church of "consequences" if they vote in favour of overturning a ban on therapeutic cloning.

One Catholic member of the ruling Labor Party in the New South Wales state parliament said he would rather go to hell than take orders on how to vote from Sydney Catholic Archbishop George Pell.

"Maybe I'll go to hell, but if I go to hell I'm going to do so by saving a lot of lives, because that's what this bill is about," Tony Stewart said in a radio interview.

"We don't need a religious leader telling members of parliament what should be done."

Lawmakers are being allowed a conscience vote on a bill to bring the country's most populous state into line with the federal government, which overturned a ban on therapeutic cloning last year.

The new law would allow excess human embryos from in-vitro fertilisation treatment to be used to create stem cells for research into fighting debilitating diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and cystic fibrosis.

"Cloning is not quite the same as abortion and the legislation for such a thing as cloning is different from actually performing cloning," Cardinal Pell told reporters.

"But it is a serious moral matter and Catholic politicians who vote for this legislation must realise that their voting has consequences for their place in the life of the church."

Pell said he was not threatening to excommunicate Catholic lawmakers who voted in favour of the bill, but indicated he was considering refusing them holy communion.

Both state Premier Morris Iemma and his deputy John Watkins, who are Catholics, have said they would defy Pell's warnings and vote for the bill.

Another Catholic MP, Adrian Piccoli, said of the threat of being refused communion: "I would like to see them try and stop me."

Pell said the bill would allow for unethical research that could see the creation of human and animal hybrids.

"These possibilities are quite grotesque," he said. "I'd be very surprised if they had approval throughout the population."

The Anglican church is also asking MPs to vote against the bill.

But the Minister for Science and Medical Research, Verity Firth, denied scientists would be given carte blanche for research and said she was confident the bill would pass both houses of parliament.

I'd rather go to hell than take orders from the Catholic Church too. I mean seriously, who the hell do they think they are anyway? They have absolutely NO BUSINESS sticking themselves into the governmental business of any country. The Catholic Church has archaic beliefs, and it's about time someone stood up to them.

The Anglican Church can also shove it!! The MPs aren't going to vote against this bill, and why should they? If this research can find a cure for diseases, why shouldn't we be allowed to try? These churches see one thing, and that's an embryo. They can't move past that, and quite frankly, I don't care if they ever move past it. The important thing is, the MPs can and seem likely to be moving past that. Kudos to them for flipping the bird!! The Catholic Church and the Anglican Church deserve it. Remember morons, when they do find a cure don't bother asking for it. If you do, that will make you look like a damn hypocrite!!

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  • At 10:40 PM, Blogger Snave said…

    Thanks for posting that! I think those Australian politicians deserve a big hand.

    I wish our politicians in America had the sense and the guts to flip off the Christian fundamentalists.

  • At 12:21 AM, Anonymous Carl said…

    Do you think that there are any moral objections that should stop scientific research?

    Or is there any kind of scientific research unimportant enough to warrant banning it to save embryos?

  • At 9:23 AM, Blogger ParisL0ve2 said…

    The Australian politicians definitely deserve a big hand for standing up to the Catholic Church. They deserve a big hand because they moved beyond their faith, beyond their church, and took a stand for what THEY believe in. They didn't cave into the religious blackmail that the Catholic Church was using.

    That's exactly what the Catholic Church can't stand. They can't stand people who think beyond what their religion teaches them, and actually form their own opinions on what THEY feel is acceptable. How else do you explain the threats of excommunication or threats to withhold communion? They feel threatened because their "flock" isn't completely naive and willing to go along with whatever they preach.

  • At 9:42 AM, Blogger ParisL0ve2 said…

    I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could or would think that scientific research conducted in order to find cures for diseases is "unimportant" enough to ban it simply based on a religious belief.

    Save embryos? They're not the Catholic Church's embryos to save. They're not yours. These embryos belong to the parents that had them created. If it is their wish to donate them for medical and scientific research, that is their right. They have a right to do so without being labeled a murderer. They have a right to do so without being blackmailed by the Catholic Church.

    I don't have any objections to scientific research. I don't have any objections to using embryos for scientific research. We don't know until we try, and if we can find cures for these horrible diseases by trying, I'm all for it.

    Scientific research isn't unimportant. If it was unimportant, it wouldn't be conducted in the first place.

    This is not a moral objection. This is a religious objection. Let's be clear on that.


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